[xquery-talk] [xml-dev] Query 3.1 vs. JSONiq WAS Re: MarkLogic using JSONiq for processing JSON ?

[William Candillon]

Hi Adam,

To answer your last question, there is a typescript implementation of
JSONiq that started here: https://github.com/wcandillon/jsoniq.
It will be interesting to see the reception in the NoSQL and HTML5
community when this project will be a bit more mature.

It implements JSONiq updates and update composition on top of
IndexedDB. The end goal is to query/update IndexedDB and implement a
versioning system between IndexedDB and the cloud. Compiled queries
can run as standalone JavaScript programs: it's very lightweight.
It is tested against both browsers and nodejs.

This implementation is 100% organically grown.  We started with an
XQuery parser in JavaScript for HTML5 editors. We then added static
analysis for errors and warnings (XQLint). XQLint is quite mature now
and the next logical step was to add a code generation step.

Kind regards,

William

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:44 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com> wrote:
> Adam,
>
> sorry, will not respond this thread from now on. It’s a waste of my time.
>
> Best
> Dana
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>
>
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>> On May 9, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Adam Retter <adam.retter at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Botton line is: as a result of what W3C did with XQuery 3.1, they created
>>> more harm them good overall for the industry.
>>>
>>>
>>> And this:  for both the XML community  AND  the JSON community.
>>>
>>> For the XML community: they’ll be hated and avoided even more they used to
>>> be, and more and more isolated, and
>>
>> I don't understand your perspective at all.
>> I don't believe that XQuery is perfect, but then I don't believe that
>> any other programming or query language is either. Significantly
>> however we do have real XQuery 3.1 users (that were previously using
>> XQuery 3.0 and XQuery 1.0) publicly thanking us for the new features
>> of XQuery 3.1 that they are enjoying, here is one such recent thank
>> you - http://exist.markmail.org/thread/mb7jdspx5h3d67kj
>>
>>
>>> For the JSON community:  they’ll avoid anything related to XQuery like scary
>>> evil, which means that they’ll design silly query languages
>>> by themselves (see Cassandra, see Mongo, see BigTable….)  for 15 years
>>> before finding some decent solution.
>>
>> JSON is important sure, but I don't believe it is the beginning and
>> the end of the Web and/or NoSQL. You mention Cassandra, but their
>> query language CQL appears to me to be inspired by SQL rather than
>> anything like JSONiq.
>>
>> I really like JSONiq, I even started an implementation (unfinished) a
>> few years back. However, I have no sympathy for people or communities
>> that want to ignore a technology base because it is `scary evil`, I
>> don't buy into that as an argument, it just sounds like FUD; Serious
>> implementers of any language will always do their homework and learn
>> about the best and worst of their predecessors.
>>
>> Regards Mongo, the only JSONiq implementation for that seems to be
>> from 28msec which you were heavily involved in I believe. Outside of
>> 28msec and their partner work (IBM), apart from Xidel, I have not seen
>> any implementations of JSONiq. Certainly the NoSQL databases that you
>> mention, don't require a W3C stamped query language for them to
>> produce an implementation. I would be genuinely interested to know why
>> JSONiq was not more widely adopted? I really believed that JSONiq
>> would be snapped up very quickly by NoSQL JSON/BSON stores, Node.js
>> and others.
>>
>> I think that if people want just a JavaScript query language for JSON
>> then why don't they just get/create an implementation of JSONiq in
>> JavaScript? Sure it could have been XQuery 3.1, but it's not... and
>> well... I think that is okay. XQuery 3.1 has its own use-cases and
>> purpose, it might not be as popular as JSON, but I don't see that as
>> an issue, they solve different (and sometimes similar) problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Adam Retter
>>
>> skype: adam.retter
>> tweet: adamretter
>> http://www.adamretter.org.uk
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