<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Pavel, I hope you don’t mind that I forward your personal email to the main list.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Thanks for the links. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, I am of course aware of the history of it, but I don’t think everyone else is.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(I even gave feedback to Erik Meijer before he submitted this proposal to Bill Gates…. and I lost</div><div class="">a beer with him because we bet who among the two of us knows XML Schema better — and he did :-).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This reinforces the ideas that:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. the principles of XQuery are orthogonal to XML itself and</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. spelling FROM and SELECT seems to matter to people A LOT.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class="">Dana</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 23, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Pavel Minaev <<a href="mailto:int19h@gmail.com" class="">int19h@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">FWIW, "this language" is actually LINQ:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb397896(v=vs.140).aspx" class="">https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb397896(v=vs.140).aspx</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Which, ironically, came out of an earlier Microsoft project called Cω (and specifically, the subset of it called X#), which was basically an attempt to graft a subset of XQuery onto C#:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms974195.aspx" class="">https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms974195.aspx</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It became LINQ after it dropped ties to XDM and was generalized to operate on arbitrary CLI object graphs instead.<br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, daniela florescu <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:dflorescu@me.com" target="_blank" class="">dflorescu@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">One thing that did strike me is the link cited in one of the comments about this article:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><a href="http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1961297" target="_blank" class="">http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1961297</a></span></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Just look at the examples.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Does everyone see what I see !? :-)</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Those are just FLWOR expressions, with FOR spelled as FROM and RETURN spelled</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">as SELECT.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">Can we PLEASE add those as synonyms in the XQuery grammar before you close XQuery 3.1 !?</span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class=""><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">Otherwise we’ll hear for another 100 years that XQuery has nothing to do with SQL while THIS language</span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">describe in this paper DOES. (sic!)</span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class=""><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">It’s dumb, but that’s how it is.</span></span></font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">Pretty please !???</span></span></font></div></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class=""><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">Thanks</span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class="">Dana</span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class=""><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line" class=""><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height:17px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></font><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 23, 2015, at 11:04 AM, daniela florescu <<a href="mailto:dflorescu@me.com" target="_blank" class="">dflorescu@me.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Ihe,<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">you asked why XQuery is not more popular.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is another striking answer to your question: NOBODY KNOWS IT EXISTS.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just look at this example.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sql-vs-discrepancy-somil-asthana?trk=hp-feed-article-title-like" target="_blank" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sql-vs-discrepancy-somil-asthana?trk=hp-feed-article-title-like</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I quote: "<span style="color:rgb(77,79,81);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Indisputably, there may be people who are working on Non Relational</span></div><div class=""><span style="color:rgb(77,79,81);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""> Algebra and Non Tuple Relational Calculus, its just that we do not know them.</span><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class="">”</span></font></div><div class=""><span style="color:rgb(77,79,81);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class="">[[[Can someone just answer this guy, so I don’t have to insult him/her !?</span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class="">Because I feel a really strong urge….I’ll try to breathe and do some meditation….]]]</span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class=""><br class=""></span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class="">In fact, I know that this is not his/her limitation.</span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class=""><br class=""></span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class="">It’s our OWN failure to explain to the world what XQuery is, what it does, and what is good at.</span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#4d4f51" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height:24px" class=""><br class=""></span></font></span></div><div class="">Best regards</div></div><div class="">Dana</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">P.S. And after that, please DON’T ask me why I am SO pissed off at MarkLogic who pretend they never ate the garlic, not does</div><div class="">their mouth smell of garlic…..</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They MADE all their money out of the power of XQuery (expressiveness, productivity, etc), yet they pretend they’ve never heard of it….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That’s something that REALLY gets me angry.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And this will come back to bait them on the business side very badly too. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Oracle would have NEVER done the same thing about SQL…..just saying.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">
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