[xquery-talk] Does XQuery fit anywhere in this landscape.

Ihe Onwuka ihe.onwuka at gmail.com
Tue Jun 23 09:14:50 PDT 2015

Well he didn't comment on SQL for JSON per se but  saying that RDBMS are
sub-optimal for everything is a tacit repudiation of SQL is it not?

He buys into the notion that there will be swarms of data scientists doing
clever things with data which will need a different language. I am
continually surprised that people this smart believe that there is such a
pool of people to draw from.

He is right that statistical packages suck at data management but that
won't isn't going to deter the R community.

Do you see XQuery fitting anywhere in this vision. It has potential as a
pipeling technology as does for that matter SQL. I think it will always be
problematic to do analytics on the source data because it is too dirty.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:51 AM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com> wrote:

> Ihe,
> I had discussions with Michael Stonebreaker for 20 years about about the
> fact that
> XML “exists” or not. With Jim Gray too, before he disappeared. They were
> both extremely
> supportive for me, yet were both thinking that I am crazy to waste my
> research career on XML.
> Stonebreaker’s  opinion: he doesn’t believe that XML “exists” in industry.
> So he will not mention it, because it doesn’t exist :-)
> But you have to remember that Stonebreaker is a database person. Probably
> he will not
> understand the facet of XML which is “XML as documents”. It took me and
> the other database
> people involved in XQuery years before we swallowed it. (Don Chamberlin of
> SQL fame
> famously once said “who in the world would care about such a corner case
> as mixed content !?").
> Don’t blame the database people that they don’t “get” XML. On one hand, it
> has never been explained
> to them properly.
> And again, Stonebreaker, being a database person, he will look at “XML as
> data” aspect of the story.
> And this today is INDEED non-existing in industry, or almost. Or, when t
> is, it is mostly for log analysis.
> ============
> JSON will completely change the landscape, in surprising ways, that none
> of us can predict.
> And no, I trust that Michael Stonebreaker is too smart to believe that SQL
> is a solution to process JSON.
> But time will tell.
> Best regards
> Dana
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Ihe Onwuka <ihe.onwuka at gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K0SWs1mOD0
> By implication it puts the kibosh on SQL as the basis of a solution for
>  the future.
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